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Natural Gas: The Signs They Are A-Changin

Seeded on Thu Feb 2, 2012 8:40 PM EST
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environment, natural-gas, fracking, gas-drilling, hydraulic-fracturing, energynew-yorkers
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New York's Department of Environmental Conservation has collected 40,000 public comments on proposed fracking, with opinions running 10-to-1 against drilling. Last week, hundreds of residents demonstrated at the state capital in Albany to demand tougher regulations.

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We're trying hard to keep fracking out of New York.

    Reply#1 - Thu Feb 2, 2012 8:41 PM EST
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    Kate and Chris say that the issue boils down to educating the public. Struggling small farmers are tempted by the quick money to be made from leasing their land to gas companies. But once they learn about the risks of fracking, they often reconsider.

    This is why we need a program to start up biomass derived methane and other hydrocarbon fuels. The technology has existed for hundreds of millions of years and longer for methanogenic bacteria and pyrolysis. Methanogenic bacteria is essentially the part of the composting process that takes place in the absence of oxygen. This produces methane from any bio matter including cellulose. So feed stocks consist of wood, grass, leaves, sewage, garbage, etc. This is a source of income for the farmers, transporters, and processors in these local communities. The gas can be connected to the gas pipelines or used in SOFC to produce electricity.

    Pyrolysis involves taking this same biomass feed stock and heating it to about 500 degrees C in the absence of oxygen. It produces a mixture of hydrocarbon fuels in the gas and liquid phases, NG and very light petroleum. Again this creates a local energy based economy that can not be moved off shore. It reduces the sewage handling and garbage disposal problems, provides local landowners an income from their idle property, and gives the local community an export product and energy source.

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    Reply#2 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 3:09 AM EST
    mf-3735877

    Tom you're right. Why isn't it happening. My guess is there's no big money in it to be made by big companies. What do you think?

      Reply#3 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 12:01 PM EST
      mf-3735877

      I meant Tim not Tom - sorry.

        #3.1 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 1:57 PM EST
        Tim S.-560036

        That and most people I talk to don't know about either. The level of ignorance is amazing. Every meeting I go to on fracing or other energy issues, I bring it up. All the meetings go basically the same. "How do we stop the big company and convince the landowner not to sign the lease because it is bad environmentally?" Well this only has a chance of working if the landowner has no need of the lease income. If they need the money to keep the land, we have to give them an alternative income source. This is a common flaw I have seen for decades in activist groups. Do it because it is the right thing to do, doesn't fly when you owe back taxes.

        I bring flyers on this to every meeting. I tell all the landowners, "Here is an alternative.. Bring it up to your town and county governments."

        mf, How could you mix up Tim and Tom? I mean the I and O are now where near each other. LOL :~)

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