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Tradeoff Between Environment and Economy is "Nonsense" Says GE Executive : TreeHugger

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The economy is wholly dependent on the environment for its survival, so it is of course nonsense to suggest that we should prioritize financial interests over environmental ones. But the reverse does not necessarily hold true.

There will be not be a sustainable healthy economy without a healthy environment. Jobs vs environment is a false dilemma.

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mf-3735877

The choice between jobs and environment isn't really the issue. That's just a ruse to keep the right wing's base in line so they'll continue to support the fat cats and their obscene greed.

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Reply#1 - Sat Jan 21, 2012 10:32 PM EST
Tim S.-560036

There will be not be a sustainable healthy economy without a healthy environment. Jobs vs environment is a false dilemma.

And the propaganda they use is that country x allows us to poison them and the world from within their borders, so should you. Environmental regulations have not cost one single job. Our trade policies have. As soon as we require all goods and services imported into this country to meet our internal standards, like we do for product safety issues like lead in paint or seat belts in cars, etc) then our regulations will stop sending jobs overseas. Job mobility will be based on real economic factors and it will trigger a race to the top in safety, health, worker, and environmental standards around the world.

It is time our trade policies recognized that our bodies do not differentiate between mercury in tuna originating in the US or China or Japan or Morocco or South Africa or India.

Pollution anywhere is pollution everywhere.

  • 2 votes
Reply#2 - Sat Jan 21, 2012 11:14 PM EST
ivorybill

Protecting the enviroment???..........reduce mankinds population numbers from 7 billion to 3 billion. The world will ascend to health again and the economy of individual homo sapiens will flourish. Anything else is a slow and painful suicide, and most want see it coming till it be at their front door.

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Reply#3 - Sun Jan 22, 2012 9:44 AM EST
mf-3735877

Ivorybill

reduce mankinds population numbers from 7 billion to 3 billion

Indeed, environmental causes, and along with them economic causes, are lost without reducing and stabilizing our population. Unchecked population growth is slow suicide!

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#3.1 - Sun Jan 22, 2012 10:45 AM EST
ivorybill

Are you somewhat a gardner, farmer or what? Just looking at your picture in those overalls. No offense...curious though!

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#3.2 - Sun Jan 22, 2012 2:02 PM EST
mf-3735877

gardner, farmer or what?

Probably more of a what =)

It's not my day job (yet) but actually I'm a gardener of vegetables, herbs, berries, and fruit (although the fruit part hasn't really taken off yet). I have a keen interest in small scale, beyond organic, intensive gardening and urban homesteading. I'm also interested in food issues and I'm generally anti large scale agribusiness. Basically a localvore organic agenda.

Despite that I'm not a great gardener although I hope to become one. Harvest quantity and quality is getting a little better each year and I'm hopping to convert all my yard into a garden before I'm done.

  • 1 vote
#3.3 - Sun Jan 22, 2012 2:25 PM EST
ivorybill

You are creating a facsimile to Nature then?......What a bounty She once offered, and could, if we mature in time with greater wisdoms, again. A pleasure to meet with you in Vine, as it curls and raps in full view.

    #3.4 - Sun Jan 22, 2012 2:33 PM EST
    mf-3735877

    A facsimile, no I'm not capable. I'm accepting I'm part of nature and trying to live with great respect towards and in harmony with the rest of it. And beyond that I'm hoping to encourage and help my fellow humans to do the same.

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    #3.5 - Sun Jan 22, 2012 2:53 PM EST
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    Tim

    Environmental regulations have not cost one single job. Our trade policies have.

    That's right! Instead of a race to the top our politics and trade policies have triggered a race to the bottom. I remember Bush saying something to the effect of you have to have policies that make companies want to do business here and then we'll stop losing jobs to off-shoring. Logically this means that we'd have to roll back all our environmental and safety and worker protection laws to compete. That's insane.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#4 - Sun Jan 22, 2012 10:41 AM EST
    Tim S.-560036

    I remember Bush saying something to the effect of you have to have policies that make companies want to do business here and then we'll stop losing jobs to off-shoring.

    And as usual Bush had it backward. Companies already want to do business here. We are now getting close to losing our status as the largest market in the world. That alone is why companies want to do business here.

    The problem with off-shoring is the false belief that allowing pollution in another country does not pollute us here. So our policies are to send polluting industries out of our borders and pollute within the borders of other countries to get the goods we desire. The problem is pollution does not recognize political borders. So the pollution generated there finds its way here anyway.

    The way I look at it, we are stuck in a post WW@ trade mentality. In the immediate aftermath of WW2 we were the only standing economy left. Every one else was destroyed by the ravishes of war. So we developed a trade policy that discriminated slightly against domestic industries in order to build up the economic bases of these other countries. This was good for us for a couple of decades, too, because it helped revive our trading partners. The problem is we are still functioning under this same policy. We still discriminate against domestic companies compared to foreign ones.

    This discrimination needs to end. Foreign companies have to be held to the same standards that we hold domestic companies to. This is legal according to international law, because international law only forbids discrimination against foreign based companies. It does not forbid holding them to the same standards. Now we can only do this for those goods and services that are bought and sold in our markets. We can't tell a foreign company how they have to behave in dealing with markets in other countries. But since we are such a large market, we have a large impact on behavior of any business.

    By holding foreign companies to our regulations, this unfair advantage they have over domestic companies disappears and we compete on equal footing. Many of the jobs that left will come back because the economic advantages of increased pollution and other regulatory compliance issues will disappear. Then we get into real economic differences like shipping costs, cost of living differences, skill set differences, etc. The factors that make fair and open trade advantageous to everyone.

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    #4.1 - Sun Jan 22, 2012 2:52 PM EST
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